> I don't think the atmosphere is *that* bad No, you're right. It's not *that* bad. But it's not *that* good either. Who gets up and goes out for 'okay' food? If I'm getting 'okay' food it had better be cheap. > it's certainly better once you're inside I think my problem was mostly the raucous and scruffily dressed golfers getting trollied in the bar. I'm sure all golfers feel that the club house is their own, but I don't want my conversation to be drowned out by people who aren't even in the restaurant. Perhaps it was bad because there were so few people in there. Maybe a buzz from the restaurant would have helped. > the clubhouse is hardly very appealing from the carpark. That really doesn't bother me. It's all a bit new inside but you figure it will settle down. It just seemed to lack personality to me. Liz